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KLAB 09-04-2013 04:09 AM

Yank it and get off quicker.
 
They do not tell a lie. Last week I finally got some mods done to the car (had a long busy summer and finally had some free time):

Yank SS3600 converter
Trans Go HD2 shift kit
Klab Fabrications Trans cooler
LS1 driveshaft
Poly motor, trans, and torque arm mounts
new knock sensor

First I give a big thanks to my buddy Roy for letting me use his lift at and time to work on my car at "Eastern Octane" , I've never been so blessed to work on one of my toys on a lift. 2nd thanks to Joe for convincing me to install the shift kit, and helping/guiding me on the install at his shop (a 4L60E fits in the trunk of a Saturn fyi).

andddd shes up:
http://i.imgur.com/bpoOzipl.jpg

Leaking LT1 intake manifolds will do that:
http://i.imgur.com/vLaCYW9l.jpg

Ok the directions for this kind of suck, If anyone needs help installing one of these PM me. I wish I took more step by step pics to make a guide but I just went to town:
http://i.imgur.com/Q8B6Dgjl.jpg

Pulling the valve body apart:
http://i.imgur.com/Lk91DJMl.jpg

Spacers and springs for the 2nd accumulator. I used the middle settings for everything:
http://i.imgur.com/YDMPHv8l.jpg

Drilled the separator plate to the max sizes:
http://i.imgur.com/Q3Shtrcl.jpg

KLAB 09-04-2013 04:10 AM

All my valves and pistons were actually not worn too bad for the 40k hard-ish miles I put on it. The thing was pretty dirty I don't think the fluid has ever been changed or serviced. Brake cleaner made it good as new:
http://i.imgur.com/FgAj5lkl.jpg

Assembled fresh new filter:
http://i.imgur.com/9VFFrfol.jpg

I wish I took a pic of the pan before...
http://i.imgur.com/KzMORysl.jpg

That was it for the shift kit. filled the converter up with Mercon V and slipped it on:
http://i.imgur.com/cnO5TXsl.png

Then I did the motor mounts which was actually the biggest pita. Took some time and patience grinding the rivets apart but what a difference these made. No more y pipe slapping the shit out of my floor boards spiking knock retard. On the passenger side the knock sensor should be removed but I smashed mine so had to buy a new one. It was pretty ancient anyways. Then the trans went back in with the new poly mount, the LS1 driveshaft and buttoned everything back up. Time for a tranny cooler:

http://i.imgur.com/vZyIxvtl.jpg

I have quite the collection of junk in my shed. When I came across this plate and fin style Ford cooler (prob out of a diesel) I took the wizzer to the tabs and grinder and boom free cooler. I got some pretty handy zip ties for coolers from the Pep-Boys speed shop up the street and installed it right in front of my AC condenser.
http://i.imgur.com/ltay8Ial.jpg

I only needed ~2ft of rubber line I had laying in my shed, cut and re-route the stock lines to go in to the radiator, out and into cooler, and out into the return line. So my cooler is cooling the fluid after it goes through the stock cooler in the rad. Some will say this is silly but I don't care. The coolant heats it up to the specified operating range effectively. I logged it at the track friday and temps never rose above 80*C (~175*F). If I'm ever bored I might bypass the factory cooler and log the temps to prove it probably doesn't make a significant difference.

Then I filled it up with Mercon V. It was my first time filling a tranny from being bone dry so I kind of fucked up and overfilled it. It was smoke screening trans fluid out the vent tube on wot pulls on 213 so bad the whole back of my car was coated LOL. With the fluid level corrected and everything double checked we bolted the DR's on and hit the track friday and ran 12.9 first pass. Look in the racing/pics section soon for some awesome vids and pics.
http://i.imgur.com/BL48Edpl.jpg

In the end I think a converter is one of the first thing you should do with an auto car. It is a lot more fun to drive on the street and I'm about to start DD'ing it to school again. It hits HARD at the track and like I said just feels great. The shift kit is recommended to put less wear on slipping clutches after the converter. Its good to grab into gears instead of let them slip so much and there is lots of room for line pressure adjustments in the tune. If anyone has any questions doing similar mods PM me I wish I could have made a walk through but I just didn't stop for pics. Thanks for reading.
:klab:

smokinss 09-04-2013 03:14 PM

Nice. Glad to see your at it again.

Slowhawk 09-04-2013 04:31 PM

Yank is a great converter. We have a few sitting here.

your cooler routing is correct. Always the best to run through the radiator, then to the cooler.

Just watch that rubber line. I've seen some not rated for tranny's expand and split.

KLAB 09-04-2013 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slowhawk (Post 82789)
Yank is a great converter. We have a few sitting here.

your cooler routing is correct. Always the best to run through the radiator, then to the cooler.

Just watch that rubber line. I've seen some not rated for tranny's expand and split.

Thanks! I'll double check that. If its not rated I could just pick up some specified for trans use? Whats the approximate pressure in the cooler lines?

KLAB 09-04-2013 04:37 PM

What do you guys think of 3.73s? My pinion seal is leaking and I was going to replace it, pull the axles and press in ARP wheel studs. I have read that some people see better results with this converter and 3.73's but how big of a difference would it be on the highway? I still DD the car so wouldn't want it revving too high on the highway. Just something small I was thinking of doing over the next few weeks.

Z28 09-04-2013 04:42 PM

Props dude. This shit is way over my head. I gotta start to learn how to make my car faaaast

SLP IROC-Z 09-04-2013 04:52 PM

I'd do 3.73 in your car

Slowhawk 09-04-2013 04:53 PM

3.73's are good.

The line has to take 200+ heat and pressure. I just use -6 AN line.

ZFreie 09-04-2013 05:02 PM

Can you get the tranny fluid to cold?

KLAB 09-04-2013 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z28 (Post 82793)
Props dude. This shit is way over my head. I gotta start to learn how to make my car faaaast

Its really not though. You just need to envision the goal and do it. Doing is learning, thats how you learn this stuff. This was the first time I took a tranny apart other than swaping solenoids on my sisters saturn. You got to be willing to make mistakes, but learn from them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slowhawk (Post 82795)
3.73's are good.

The line has to take 200+ heat and pressure. I just use -6 AN line.

I wont do AN lines, yet... But the factory lines use rubber hose in spots so I guess if I just get some that meets or exceeds those standards I'll be good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZFreie (Post 82797)
Can you get the tranny fluid to cold?

What do you mean lol

ZFreie 09-04-2013 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLAB (Post 82798)
What do you mean lol

Just a random ass question, cause you said your fluid never went north of 175, what would happen if it was at like say, 80* all the time?

Which is why i asked

If driving a car in the colder months with a separate trans cooler, is it possible to have the fluid to cold?

I'm not just asking you I'm asking everyone, I'm bored at work leave me alone lol

KLAB 09-04-2013 06:37 PM

Oh no you said to when you should have said too. So I thought you meant did I getit up to cold on the dipstick or something. Yeah if the fluid is too cold it operates differently. Like in the winter when you first start driving before its warmed up it seems to shift hard. Idk, I just like the idea of keeping it regulated then cooling it afterwards. I haven't logged it daily driving on the street yet to see what normal temps are. But 80* after 5 passes at the track hot lapping is pretty good.

ZFreie 09-04-2013 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLAB (Post 82800)
Oh no you said to when you should have said too. So I thought you meant did I get it up to cold on the dipstick or something. Yeah if the fluid is too cold it operates differently. Like in the winter when you first start driving before its warmed up it seems to shift hard. Idk, I just like the idea of keeping it regulated then cooling it afterwards. I haven't logged it daily driving on the street yet to see what normal temps are. But 80* after 5 passes at the track hot lapping is pretty good.

my bad, at work so not watching my typing haha

I was just wondering, I plan on a cooler in the near future and drive my car "daily" so, when its too cold for bike ill be driving the camaro till snow falls, thats why I was asking. Dont wanna hurt it lol

KLAB 09-04-2013 06:54 PM

Yeah run it thru the rad first. Dude, put a converter in it asap. You'll just love it. I'm a pansy when it comes to being worried about losing street-able DD status with this car, it made it way better and more fun. I think my next focus is 3.73's and LS1 pcm conversion, ghetto style.

Z28 09-04-2013 09:10 PM

I think now I have a daily I'm less afraid to work on my car. I've had to leave my car at school a bunch of times and I hated it

Motaboata 09-04-2013 09:27 PM

I did yank stall, and 3.73s very huge difference Ad fun. Think I have some pulls n my YouTube

ls6monte 09-05-2013 12:49 AM

Nice Kevin. A yank converter was one of the first mods i did after installing the ls in my car. I went from running 12.70's all day long to running 12.40's with just the converter.

SLP IROC-Z 09-05-2013 03:51 AM

Good job Kevin, I was proud to see that board light up 12.9! Wish you came tonight, the air was better.

Oh and the temp your seeing is celcius, 80*c is 176*F which is getting hot for tranny fluid IMO.

frankzlt1 09-05-2013 10:11 AM

Nice job kev.

KLAB 09-05-2013 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLP IROC-Z (Post 82817)
Good job Kevin, I was proud to see that board light up 12.9! Wish you came tonight, the air was better.

Oh and the temp your seeing is celcius, 80*c is 176*F which is getting hot for tranny fluid IMO.

I know. Yo I know a little about converting Celsius to Fahrenheit... Peep my OP:
Quote:

Originally Posted by KLAB (Post 82779)
...I logged it at the track friday and temps never rose above 80*C (~175*F).

I thought 175 is a good temp... I wish I went too, but being back at school I really want to do a few things and get the tune right and hit it on a good day. Money is tight bro.

KLAB 09-05-2013 07:15 PM

Thanks a lot Ron, Frank, Joe! It feels good to do what I used to love. Sucks that I just don't have as much time/money to do what I really want to do but school will pay off.

frankzlt1 09-06-2013 01:19 AM

Kev are you doing the programing to you pcm or did someone else do it.

KLAB 09-06-2013 01:10 PM

I have my own tuning software and cable (tuner cats and moates cable) I do it myself with the help of joe. He knows more about shift points lol. For this I stole tonys tune since we both have the same setup and we calibrated the shi fts and speedo for my gears. This tune is lean on my car so got some fuel to add shows 13.2ish at wot

ZFreie 09-06-2013 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLAB (Post 82851)
This tune is lean on my car so got some fuel to add shows 13.2ish at wot

also why i wont use your tune, id blow my car up with how i drive it lol

KLAB 09-06-2013 04:26 PM

You wont blow it up at 13.2... The tune I sent you is around 12.6 WOT. This is a different one now. I have to put my old tables into this new tune.

SLP IROC-Z 09-06-2013 05:05 PM

There really isnt much done to Tonys tune, its nothing special. whoever wrote it messed with the WOT fuel table a little bit. VE & MAF tables are Stock, Timing is Stock. Trans tuning pretty much stock other than shift timing. his shift points were changed at wot, rev limiter raised and a few other small things in the way of flags for the CEL.

KLAB 09-06-2013 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLP IROC-Z (Post 82859)
There really isnt much done to Tonys tune, its nothing special. whoever wrote it messed with the WOT fuel table a little bit. VE & MAF tables are Stock, Timing is Stock. Trans tuning pretty much stock other than shift timing. his shift points were changed at wot, rev limiter raised and a few other small things in the way of flags for the CEL.

I have to put these new trans tables in my old tune then. hahaha. Damn mail order hacks...

ZFreie 09-06-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLAB (Post 82857)
You wont blow it up at 13.2... The tune I sent you is around 12.6 WOT. This is a different one now. I have to put my old tables into this new tune.

I just need to buy a wideband so i can see whats going on, lol

SLP IROC-Z 09-06-2013 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLAB (Post 82870)
I have to put these new trans tables in my old tune then. hahaha. Damn mail order hacks...

Theres no point. I already put the two tunes together.

KLAB 09-06-2013 06:20 PM

Oh I didn't even know you did that on the new one LOL. I thought it was just tonys tune with speedo adjustment. Well I just have to tweak fuel and timing then.


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